My guest is Richard Hough, author of Verona Campione, a new book about Hellas Verona's surprise 1985 Scudetto win. We also discuss the ultrà scene in Verona, and the city's other clubs, Chievo and Virtus. 

After my chat with Richard, I've tagged on a talk I gave recently on football against fascism in Italy before and during World War II, recorded at Manchester's Festa della Liberazione. 

We talk to Tobias Jones about his research into Italian ultras. It's an incredibly insightful interview about group psychology, belonging, the potential for criminality and even ultras doing good work in the community, too.